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Old 30th Nov 2007   #1
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Default Morality in Writing

This topic has been one which I have thought about for many years, and was reminded of it when reading comments from another site. It concerns what responsibility we, as writers have in our stories.

This particular conversation was concerned about fantasy in underage characters, and forced sex such as schoolmaster and student, even though both were of legal age.

I have never written about either, except for one instance where I related my true youthful sexual experiences in my first car with same aged teenage girls. It is for my eyes only and I will never have it published.

One responder wrote that an adult, with a disclaimer, should be able to write whatever they want and that intelligent writers and readers will know the difference between fantasy and reality. That strikes me as a simplistic legal answer to a much deeper subject.

My own thoughts are, for me, it is distasteful to write about underage sex or physically forced sex in any form and my argument is by writing about it, and publishing it, we turn fantasy into reality, the reality of words. I will defend another's legal right to do so, but not their moral right.

I am interested to know what some of the excellent writers, here, think about this subject.
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Heya cocoa2!

[I don't think I fit into the category you invited to share the thoughts with you *smile* - however I am replying from another angles as well..]

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One responder wrote that an adult, with a disclaimer, should be able to write whatever they want and that intelligent writers and readers will know the difference between fantasy and reality. That strikes me as a simplistic legal answer to a much deeper subject.
Well, I disagree with that responder.

If you have such thoughts - and we know many people have them - I think it's best to keep them for yourself. We are not looking for such materials on mindspired.com and this is THE main reason ALL stories submitted are screened and approved - or rejected.

There are numerous sites on the Internet who carry all sorts of genre and types of writing - we do NOT want to go that path. We aim to offer high-quality erotica that is not even remotely coming close to the notions of of incest, bestiality, rape and so on.

Personally, I believe that those who are indulged in writing about those subjects are opening too many doors to cross the path between fantasy and reality and the differences become narrower and narrower until, well - it becomes acceptable - in their own mind.

We want to have here a friendly adult community of writers and readers - who know very well what fun is [heck, I am still learning that! *smile*] and that everyone else is comfortable to discuss and chat with - on all levels.

And.. to put it a bit differently - again - I also believe the _classic_ type of fun and intimate subjects is way underrated - and a lifetime is probably not enough to properly explore all of it in detail.. so - what is really the point of going into areas which have been proven to be - well - unhealthy? [yes, jail food I heard is unhealthy these days!] *smile*

Just my 1.8 cents [that's all I have on me at the moment!]


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Default Re: Morality in Writing

I agree with Cocoa on this subject and msounds as well. Dark fantasies should stay in the dark. America has a hard enough time accepting mainstream erotica with out being judgemental. The idea that one would actually have such thoughts, much less write about them pushes the envelope way off the table.

Others cannot control what a person thinks, but as msounds said, bringing such subjects to light blurs the lines between fantasy and reality. You may like playing out forced sex scenes in the privacy of your home, dressing up as a high school cheerleader or what ever but it is not something which should be written for mainstream erotic enjoyment.


I think I said that right, oh and by the way I liked how msounds posted a blurb advertising Mindspired.....good job
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Sorry MS but I have not yet learned the "quote" method so I have copied the text

"Personally, I believe that those who are indulged in writing about those subjects are opening too many doors to cross the path between fantasy and reality and the differences become narrower and narrower until, well - it becomes acceptable - in their own mind."

I am ignoring the other comments you made because I, and I hope, other members are well of your policy and I agree with it completely. I like this site because of that, and although Lily and I have had private "arguments" about some of your guidelines, they are minor opinion differences compared to the overall good of the policy.


I am responding to your above quote and I also agree with it. It was what I referred to in my original post when I stated writing it made it reality, perhaps you and Night have said it better.


I get frustrated when some writers defend themselves with the 1st Ammendment, as if it is a supreme dictation that anything they write must be accepted, and that gives them some kind of obligation to open doors which should remain shut.

I have said this before, we are one ammendment short, and that is "perhaps I should have the right to punch someone in the nose, just one time, if I disagree with what they have to say using their 1st Ammendment rights" (sly smile)
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I get frustrated when some writers defend themselves with the 1st Ammendment, as if it is a supreme dictation that anything they write must be accepted, and that gives them some kind of obligation to open doors which should remain shut.

I have said this before, we are one ammendment short, and that is "perhaps I should have the right to punch someone in the nose, just one time, if I disagree with what they have to say using their 1st Ammendment rights" (sly smile)


Too often writers, hide their perversion behind the quise of the first amendment. intercourse, imitacy, passion and love are some of the beautiful, erotic, and enchanting things that we will ever experience in life.

To have them cheapened for some sort of distorted pleasure is criminal. Then, should be deal with utilizing the guidelines within the amendment that you propose. If need any help, give me a call.

The things that are written here are the beginnings of life lasting moments. It is the words of our desires that fuel us. The very idea of someone trying to poison sites that prescribe in providing their members quality is untolarable. I cannot understand why someone would allow such filth in the first place.

It is my belief that they are not opening doors, simply providing a haven for like minded individuals. in which to path leading to this haven is well lit. Often, we confuse the things that happens in the dark as evil or sinister. Evil is right there in the light and in your face. We have been programmed as a society to overlook such things. Using justifications such as " it not happening in my family or it's not my problem". Crap ...whatever grow some balls.

I apologize for use of the before mentioned vulgarity, but if these had some they would not allow these types of perversions to continue. it is upsetting, I sit here struggling trying to create something that enrichs and stimulate the passions that we all process. And there yahoo's out there taking to the time to create something that will destory the art.

Unacceptable...totally...unacceptable

It is not my intent to upset or offend anyone. If I have I apologize for it now. Howver I can and will not apologize complete and utter dislike of the before mentioned perversion.


Now I step off my soapbox, then retreat back in the shadows


Nothing is peaceful in the shadows


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